Some Questions

[Edgar]

I've started the Battle Scenario 1 and some questions appeared at start:

1- The 3rd V coalition artillery has a symbol of cavalry and artillery, is that correct? It moves 6, fast, should have the 6th I Col the same symbol? I suppose they are artillery.
A) Yes, artillery.

2- Bernadotte enters game as reinforcement the 27-28 November or before? If before: where? He doesn't appear in the Game-turn Record Track.
A) He is there ... as "I Corps."

3- Which are the use of Klosterneuburg (2553), Straze (3995) and Kremsier (3411)? Are they only for historic purposes? They have no primary roads and Klosterneuburg is also surrounded by the Danube without any bridge or road.
A) True, they are not practical as depots because of the roads (unless one is in the same hex).

4- A Citadel is also a depot?
A) Yes.

5- Can a Force in Forced March exit a ZOC to avoid combat?
A) It may, if it succeeds on the Initiative Comparison matrix.

6- I.a.1 [29] of Exclusive Rules cancels I.a [56] of Standard Rules? If that's correct the French must (surely) change the Supply Source in turn 2 or 3 when his advances throws them out of the 18 MPs Supply, right? (Remember I'm playing with battle scenario rules, no Center of Operations).
A) Yes.

7- Can a garrison be moved out of the Citadel?
A) Yes.

[Edgar]

Can you in the Forced MArch phase move subordinated leaders one by one? As it's not your turn you don't have a Organization Segment to divide the Force in various Forces, but.. is it logical to think that one general could send a subordinate to make repulse of one force so he can do a forced march easily?

A) Edgar, You can do that. What you cannot do at that moment is to alter with the force structure on the Organization Display.

[Edgar]

Thanks for the answers!! :)

So I can use the subordinates leaders as if all were on the map during Forced March. I think the rules say that's not possible during movement command and initiative movement but I'm not sure. Can I do the same or I'm restricted to use the leaders placed in map during the Organization Segment?

[kzucker]

Edgar,

Here is the basic idea, from the Standard Rules:

[190.] A Pursuing Force may consist of any part of the winning Force as long as it has a Leader capable of commanding the units in the pursuit. In other words, a new Force may be defined from the winning side at the instant of Pursuit. Remember that Major Generals may only be created during the Command Phase and must be already present in the battle if they are to lead a pursuing Force or take command of artillery.

That is an exception to paragraph 81, which states: "No new Force Leaders may be placed on the map after the end of the Command Phase." That is very clear. But I cannot see any historical reason against expanding the exception in para. 81 (allowing forces to be "dropped-off") to allow subordinate leaders onto the map at the start (only) of friendly Movement or Forced March (only), in order to split-off from the Force leader. However, they will have to have their own Movement Command or activate on their own Individual Intiative.

[kzucker]

At our gaming weekend (11-12 Dec.) we came up with two questions on the Standard Rules:

[146.] Steps 1 and 2.
Exactly which Leaders are revealed?
A) All the Leaders in the Attacking and Defending hexes are revealed.

(add) The Phasing Player reveals _all_ the Leaders of the force ...
(add) Step 2: The non-Phasing Player reveals all his leaders.

[160.]
The question is whether the Defender is required to Counterattack if his Refuse chit is revealed.

Para [157.] Says "A Refuse only works when it is your turn to attack (or counterattack)."

We are still looking at this, but tentatively we are going to delete that sentence (directly above) and possibly change [160.] to read,
"your revealed Refuse chit is treated as a regular Pitched Battle chit, except that you are not required to Counterattack.

Your considered comments are invited.

[Edgar]

The SoA Standard Rules [21] states that:

"The Force Leader and his Subordinates are only revealed when in the ZOC of an enemy Force that is not in the process of Repulse.."

So you and your opponen must reveal the Leaders at the instant you move your Force adjacent to him. It seems that you have revealed all the Leaders long before battle.

Unless they are in Fortified Town, in this case only the Force out of the Town must reveal the Leader (ZOCs extend out but not inside Fortified Towns), and the Leader inside is only revealed when attacked.

Is that right?

[kzucker]

Hi Edgar,

Here is para. [21.]
"Force Leaders and Unemployed Leaders moving across the map remain with their informational side down, hidden from the opposing Player. The Force Leader and his Subordinates are only revealed when in the ZOC of an enemy Force that is not in the process of Repulse..."

This doesn't address the question of _when_ the Force Leader and his Subordinates are revealed. Do not jump to the conclusion that Leaders are revealed at the instant they enter a ZOC.

[kzucker]

I can see how para. 21 is misleading. We could reword that...

The Force Leader and his Subordinates are only revealed in Step 1 and 2 of Combat (see para. 146) when in the ZOC of an enemy Force.

[vlozanof]

Kevin, I have read your answer in a message in this SoA forum.

You say :
"But I cannot see any historical reason against expanding the exception in para. 81 (allowing forces to be "dropped-off") to allow subordinate leaders onto the map at the start (only) of friendly Movement or Forced March (only), in order to split-off from the Force leader. However, they will have to have their own Movement Command or activate on their own Individual Initiative"

I am not sure of the interpretation of these words. :eek:
Is this a official errata of standard rule 81 ?? This rule was very clear : " This new Force may not continue moving and must remain in the drop-off hex for the rest of the Phase or Segment."

I see that your answer and the rule 81 are fully contradictory. :confused:
Also, in Campaign rules compendium (rule 126) agrees with rule 81 of standard rules.

Please, You can clarify this confusion to me that I have with your previous answer ?

[kzucker]

Hi Victor,

I am sorry for the confusion. There are two different considerations:

1. The official rule 81 itself; that rule has not changed.
2. The historical justification of this rule.

In that quote above, I was speaking of the second consideration, the historical justification.

Sometimes, in order to maintain clarity, simplification is necessary (#1).
But if someone asks, "What is the HISTORICAL reason for that," the answer is as you quoted.

[tinG]

Hello,

I'm playing the Campign scenario and was wondering when the artilley unit "Songis" arrive. Please help me...

/Jonas

[kzucker]

Songis comes in with the Guard. Thanks for playing...